]]> else is missing from the list of laptop limitations? What would you like to see in the next generation of laptop computers?" writes "Robert Scheier at Computerworld writes that while worldwide PC shipments are expected to grow 12.2% this year portable PC volumes are expected to grow 28% and will make up more than half of all PC shipments in the U. S this quarter by 2010. 'One researcher predicts it will be five to seven years before only the "die-hard" desktop users are left.'" At least one manufacturer makes an adapter that will split a (eg) 2048x768 signal into 2 x 1024x768 separate signals to drive two monitors. That's the solution that some of our clients are using to get 3 displays. You need a bit of smarts on the O/S itself to treat the one screen as two but once you do that it works well. I agree with you about two screens being a minimum though. The attraction for me isn't so much the screen size it's having two distinct workspaces. A 30" single screen probably wouldn't be as nice for the stuff I do as two 15" screens is. Part of the issue is that people demand laptops when they don't need them. They do have the attractiveness of not having cords or other extraneous things that confuse users but at the same time being mobile is oftentimes not the best practice. Security is a major issue - can you trust that your data won't be compromised if lost or stolen? Do you have a reasonable backup? (Most people don't)For most employees a desktop is often enough. And if laptops are handed out then users need to be very very careful. (Encrypt data daily backups...)I'm thinking a better solution would have a laptop that works as a dumb terminal. They do have the attractiveness of not having cords or other extraneous things that confuse users .. and 80% of the people who have laptops where I work demand a mouse within the first few days of having the laptop because they refuse to get used to the touchpad. Your desktop can also be stolen and the disk can crash. Ignoring those issues just makes you more vulnerable. I remember a class at UT-Austin where the prof went to put up his slides and realized the desktop under the podium was missing. Yes that's right someone lifted a desktop machine out of a lecture hall in the middle of the day on a crowded campus. And those things are normally locked down and alarmed. Quite surprising. Also desktop HD's crash just as much as laptops. I'd say that your argument enforces that laptops are better for most users because it causes some people to actually think about the relevant security and backup issues. It may very well make people consciously think about security and backup issues... But you simply cannot claim that desktops are equally vulnerable to the same kind of issues. Laptops are small and portable. While it is possible to steal a desktop PC it is harder. Especially if you've got some kind of security on the premises. Not impossible but harder. Laptops on the other hand are routinely toted from one place to another.. they could easily be nabbed out of your car off your shoulder off a chair at the library/terminal/cafe. Laptops are genuinely easier to physically steal. A desktop is easier to consistently back up since it is generally connected to the network at all times. You can easily use a utility of some sort to pull data off that desktop PC whenever it is necessary. A laptop could very easily be off the network for days at a time. Sure you can use some kind of VPN or web access to anything important.. but what if they have no bandwidth at all? Keeping data safe and backed up is more of an issue with a laptop. And while we're on the topic of VPNs and bandwidth... Your average desktop doesn't leave the building - it stays on your network with your security/antivirus/whatever in place at all times. Laptops often wind up on somebody else's network. Maybe they're grabbing free bandwidth at a hotspot somewhere.. maybe they're using the hotel's bandwidth.. maybe they've got a cellular modem... Regardless they're no longer behind your firewall and are now at the mercy of whoever set up the network they're using. You claim that desktop HDDs fail just as often as those in laptops... I'm not going to debate that. I have no data either way... But I doubt if desktops get knocked off tables dropped tripped over or have crap spilled into them nearly as much as laptops do. Again laptops are portable people are carrying them around. People drop things trip fall down slip. By contrast a desktop is generally stuck under/on your desk and doesn't really go anywhere. Sure you might have damage to a mouse or keyboard from time to time.. but those are just peripherals. You aren't terribly likely to do serious damage to your CPU/motherboard/HDD if you spill coffee into your keyboard on a desktop. The fact that laptops are portable routinely leave your building and connect to other networks makes them uniquely troublesome. Part of the issue is that people demand laptops when they don't need them. They do have the attractiveness of not having cords or other extraneous things that confuse users but at the same time being mobile is oftentimes not the best practice. Security is a major issue - can you trust that your data won't be compromised if lost or stolen? Do you have a reasonable backup? (Most people don't) For most employees a desktop is often enough. And if laptops are handed out then users need to be very very careful. (Encrypt data daily backups...) I'm thinking a better solution would have a laptop that works as a dumb terminal. My last job was like that anyone who needed to work from home got a laptop. Of course these same simps never bothered to make time to get training on how to work from home with IT. In fact the rationale for the purchases was never run by us we were just told to make it so. These people all had desktops at home and fast connections they could have just used the terminal server to log in instead. They were either working at home or working at work there was rarely ever a location C involved. Only a few people ever truly required a laptop because they could be any of a dozen places. For the most part laptops encouraged poor data security practices not so much fear that they would lose the data to a thief but that they would lose the data with no backups maintained on our servers. No matter how many user-invisible techniques I tried to make this simple they never seemed to work always making things more complicated than before. We would send out directives telling people that they should not store things locally but again nobody ever listened. Every time I went to help someone directly I'd check their my documents and tell them they shouldn't be doing that and they wouldn't listen. I tried remapping my documents to point to the public file store and they'd end up saving things to the desktop instead. We had at least three serious "oh shits!" when hard drives in laptops failed and a lot of important info was lost. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Likewise you can lead a man to ponder but you can't make him think. You can also lead a horticulture but you can't make her think. I know this is going to increase thickness a bit but having upgradeable graphics cards would be nice. Same with optical drives. I know there's a couple laptops where the graphics are on a daughtercard pretty much but until it becomes a more commonplace feature with a standard interface there wont be an industry/market of new cards for laptops like there are for desktops. You can't just throw a graphics chip into a laptop as an afterthought: the entire machine has to be designed around the thermal profile of both the CPU and the GPU. Given how marginal laptop cooling systems are an increase of 5W in GPU power output might be enough to overheat the system. A laptop really isn't designed to be upgradeable - the good ones especially so. They're integrated systems carefully engineered for structural strength and heat dissipation. The only laptops that could accomodate a modular graphics interface are the cheap 17" ABS monsters. Why were you modded offtopic?From the summary:"What would you like to see in the next generation of laptop computers?"Ask and ye shall receive!Personally my tastes (and needs for a laptop) are really different from yours as I still am in love with my Sharp MMC20- think the size of a Playboy magazine and quite light to boot. But if I had the budget. Oh Yeah! Gaming laptop here I come!So I see where you are coming from and think your post was ONTOPIC my own needs drive me the opposite direction... but so what?Your needs/wants in a laptop are are valid as anyone else's and you answered the submitter's question. WTF?Moderators take note: At least RTFS or RTFA before blasting out offtopic mods! "8. Laptops spawn a new breed of uber-entitled user." This complaint is exactly why the rest of the complaints have to be seriously questioned. By that standard PCs spawn a new breed of uber-entitled user. I mean really people expect the programs to run NOW? Having their application sit in a queue for a week to get the results just doesn't seem to fly anymore. What kind of uber-entitled user doesn't understand that there requests should sit in a queue until a time slot becomes available on the mainframe? If we allow employees to expect their job to be facilitated the next thing you know employees will start expecting telephones at their desks photocopiers pens and paper. Heck it might even get so bad that they might start expecting electric lighting or bathrooms! As an IT Manager there's only one bad thing that's particular to laptops that significant enough to be comment-worthy. They're a vector for virus infection. Everything else an IT department can just get on with but the high virus risk associated with devices that regularly travel in and out of the firewalled company network merits pointing out. One day some place I work. I want to set up a DMZ for laptops. This really isn't much of an issue if you don't give your users admin rights. I used to work for a company who's name represents a really long river and we weren't given admin rights on our laptops. (I was a system engineer)At first. I hated it and even more I just hated the idea of not controlling my own machine. In the end though it really came down to them providing me everythingI needed. If I wanted something that wasn't already installed and pertinent to me doing my job it was almost instantly handled and installed over the intranet via what I can only guess were custom tools. It's give and take with the portability that laptops provide. OK Joe User you can go do your work from home but in exchange for that we need to among other things take precautions that you won't be bringing in viruses to our network. The key ingredient to my successful situation in such an environment was the capability of the supporting IT team. Without a very solid support team. I think the users would become frustrated with not being able to either install their own apps or have the support staff provide a way to get them installed. Food for thought at the very least. Ergo if you have to manage laptops do not allow the user to install software and they can't install VMWare. This isn't rocket science really. You just have to prioritize what you want to do and provide the tools your users need without giving them the keys to the kingdom. I personally do not manage PC's any more... I moved on to the server side of the house but let me relate to you how things work where I work. I have a laptop and I use it since I'm on-call one week in 6. I do not have admin rights to my laptop.. in fact I'm as locked down a user as everyone else is. However despite my initial bad feeling about this. I have had few if any problems. Quite simply our desktop support team uses SMS to distribute updates and software to the end user in a packaged form. That way we can control who has what software simply because some of them require passwords to install which are requested on an ad-hoc basis. Every piece of software I need to do my job including software like Putty is out there under "Run Advertised Programs". I just click the software I need click install and within a minute or two my software's installed even if I'm on a VPN. What about tools like VMWare Server? Well we have that in RAP as well.. but that's strictly limited to people who sign an agreement with the desktop group about responsible behavior and we don't build arbitrary XP boxes. VM's built on our systems are audited by a script pushed by group policy so the desktop group can spot an arbitrary XP desktop a mile off. Yes they have alerts.. yes those logs are put in a database.. yes in the event that I put arbitrary OSs on my system I could be disciplined by HR by the terms of the agreement I signed with my desktop folks. So what about admin tools I need? OK.. ever used Citrix? We have a section of our farm dedicated to our UNIX. SQL and Windows admins that provides all those tools for us to use in an admin job; Windows admin tools and so forth. This also has the advantage that our performance of admin tasks even on a slow VPN can be similar to working at the office. Sure. I'm not totally locked down.. and I have a different account in the Active Directory that I use to authenticate to servers; a so-called Admin account. If I want to connect to a share with admin privileges all I need is a command prompt and a "net use \\server /user:adminaccount" and I can connect to the shares with my admin privileges. My desktop group grants me that because of my job.. all it took was for me to sign that "privileged operations" agreement that also allowed me VMware Server on my laptop. Sound like a bit of a pain but trust me... I don't want to be troubleshooting desktop problems all the time. I want to focus on my job; keeping the lights on in the datacenter. If my laptop shoots crap. I want to be able to pick up the phone and have someone else responsible for my not being able to do my job.. or provide me an alternate way to get my job done. If I had admin rights to my laptop. I'd probably fix it myself.. and the one time I've had problems with my laptop I actually had a good idea of the problem. But you know what? Because of that I was able to pick up the phone call our desktop folks explain precisely what the problem was and they were able to fix it within minutes because no troubleshooting was required.. and they trust me since I'm also a professional Windows guy. See in my opinion the people who cry about not having admin rights to their machines are the same people who sit in the basement and refuse to talk to anyone else. Me. I'd rather have my rights taken away to my laptop so I can just focus on MY job.. not someone else's. It makes me more productive and allows me to defer responsibility when stuff goes wrong with my laptop. Hell even when I ordered upgraded RAM I let the desktop folks do it... I put components in servers every other day but I figured that I have better things to do with my time than figure out where all the screws are to get to In my brief experience with IT at a small university several years ago. I learned that laptops have a much shorter expected lifespan in the real world compared to desktops- two years versus four or five before they need to be replaced. Even if users treat them like their firstborn they just aren't designed to last much longer than that. Out of the half dozen or so laptops that we have floating around the office that are over 2 years old not one of them has a battery that lasts for more than 15 minutes off of AC. Most people I know (myself included) tend to use laptops as more of a "portable desktop." Perhaps if we dump the batteries we could add more cooling and - in general - get more use out of them for that purpose?At the same time. I've seen various different models of power bricks but I much prefer the ones that attach to the laptop snugly rather than the standard rounded barrel-connector. Perhaps something that clicks into place but isn't a pain to remove (because without batteries it would suck to accidentally knock out that easily-disconnected power jack). My problems with laptops:1. They are too fragile.2. The internal guts are too hard to work with. Anything more than a RAM upgrade is a nightmare of tiny screws and shielding tape.3. Operating systems are targeted for desktops and servers they don't make it easy to set up a laptop the way you want with encrypted partitions network configuration etc. Sure these features are there for the tinkering but I don't want to mess around. I just want to get to work.4. Laptop hard drives are so slow! You would think there could be a slightly larger drive form factor that would allow for a drive whose speed approaches that of a standard hard drive.5. The batteries are all different. Hard drives. RAM etc are interchangeable to some extent why not batteries?6. Those tiny little laptop cooling fans drive me batty. I really hate the high-pitched whine.7. While I appreciate the small size. I would gladly trade a pound or so and a quarter inch of thickness for less whiney fans and a faster hard drive. If it's too big to fit in my pocket it should be a real computer.8. Not much to be done about it but it's not possible to use one in comfort; the ergonomics inherently suck. 2. The internal guts are too hard to work with. Anything more than a RAM upgrade is a nightmare of tiny screws and shielding tape. So? Very very few people do upgrades on their computers nowadays. They may build them from parts but aside from the hard drive and ram "upgrade" means getting a whole new system (motherboard cpu video card etc.). Technology changes too quickly and parts are not that backwards compatible. For most people messing with the inside of their computer is simply a waste of time both techies and non-techies. 3. Operating systems are targeted for desktops and servers they don't make it easy to set up a laptop the way you want with encrypted partitions network configuration etc. Sure these features are there for the tinkering but I don't want to mess around. I just want to get to work. So you want to mess with the hardware but not the software? Anyway everything requires tinkering if you want it to do what you want. You're simply used to doing things ones way (and setting them up) on a desktop. 4. Laptop hard drives are so slow! You would think there could be a slightly larger drive form factor that would allow for a drive whose speed approaches that of a standard hard drive. .. when was the last time you even saw a laptop 1995???? Laptop hard drives are 7200 guess what desktop hard drives are? 7200. 7. While I appreciate the small size. I would gladly trade a pound or so and a quarter inch of thickness for less whiney fans and a faster hard drive. If it's too big to fit in my pocket it should be a real computer. Or whatever else it takes these things from wandering off the property. They get stolen along with data that shouldn't leave the property in the first place. Or taken home where the kids can goof around on the 'net with them and get them all infected with crap that mom/dad subsequently bring back inside the company firewall. > What would you like to see in the next generation of laptop computers?" One thing I'd love to see is a little modularity and separation between the computer and the screen. I want a strong hinge that can be disconnected with a simple everyday tool. And at least within the same manufacturer make it standard the only variables being the size and resolution of the screen. What a great idea to be able to replace only the half of the laptop that is broken or upgrade only the half that needs to be upgraded. Reduce waste reduce downtime save money. Is there something intrinsically magical about the screen hinge and graphics connection of a laptop that keeps them forever joined lest ye ship them back to the vendor? Is there something intrinsically magical about the screen hinge and graphics connection of a laptop that keeps them forever joined Yes and it will only get worse in the upcoming years. One of the many constraints in laptop design is routing the cables through the hinge. You have a back light and its control and all the crazy data & clock lines (not analog video) for the LCD display. Now with WLAN you have co-axial cable since since real-world experience has shown that locating the antenna up high is worth the cable losses. The trend is to put more stuff up there like webcams where the machine can see and the microphone further from those fans whose noise everyone is complaining about in posts here. And more antennas for WWAN. TV. DVB. UWB blah blah blah. I'd like to be able to carry my laptop to the server room and hook up a VGA input so I can view what's on the server's screen without either purchasing a KVM or lugging in a full external monitor. Sort of like a temporary slave function (or just a F-key that allows video in... I'm not all that bothered about the keyboard and mouse). A virtual keypad (like one of those you can lay down in front of you) plugged into your virtual eyewear (that projects the screen onto your eye) would be a nice space-saver too. Everything wireless computer the size of an iPod in your pocket. Option for no OS? Good idea. I understand VMWare is going to offer a bootable hypervisor supplied on a thumb drive this month and also heard that Dell. IBM and HP (I think) are going to offer a hypervisor in mobo firmware so you can boot up into a virtual environment just like our servers can now. I would really prefer that sort of arrangement to multi boot so I can keep my debian ubuntu xp etc experiences separate but simultaneously available without the underhead of an OS. Intel and AMD are offering CPUs than vector tier0 instructions off to use the hypervisor without all having to hit the BIOS at once to respond to IO interrupts too -- this would make a laptop incredibly powerful fast simple and useful. Where do you want to go today? Gee. I don't know -- let's try this land called Ubuntu sounds exotic. (Click.) Now that's windowing.

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http://www.styledash.com/2007/11/16/copy-paris-hilton-with-this-t-shirt/ ]]> ]]> this article about stealing network access that opens. "Sophos has revealed new investigate into the use of other people's Wi-Fi networks to ride onto the internet without payment. The research shows that by using someone else's wireless internet access without permission." Of cover online polls being what they are the results are hardly a plank for a beat investigation but a good share of the answerers did 'fess up to it as well. "find" means to gain entry to instruct or communicate with the logical arithmetical or memory answer resources of a computer computer system or computer communicate. (7) Knowingly and without permission accesses or causes to be accessed any computer computer system or computer network. New York's definition is a lot better. Of cover. I can't pull it up alter now because section of the Assembly place with our laws seems to be down but it basically requires that you undergo to bypass a "password or code system" in order to commit the crime of "unauthorized use of a computer". That's actually quite logical. Connecting to an open wi-fi communicate is not a crime in New York State. Bypassing someones WEP key in request to use his wi-fi however is. Connecting to an open wi-fi network is not a crime in New York State. Bypassing someones WEP key in order to use his wi-fi however is. I'd say that pretty much nails it alter on the continue. I feel very strongly that if my dwell sets up an open find point called "netgear" and broadcasting it into my house they're telling me that they don't care if I use it. In fact maybe I don't be every person in my household to undergo unrestricted Internet access. If they're not securing their find point my children could browse unsavory websites and aside from taking their computers away from them. I couldn't do a thing about it. (legally) Now. I am a good dwell and I've made more than one household in my neighborhood aware that they were offering up free bandwidth to anyone who happened by and I've change surface offered up my expertise free of charge to back up them obtain said find point. Now on the other hand if I change a WEP key. I am clearly crossing a black and color lie. Cracking WEP although trivial requires effort on my part. If my neighbor puts up a sign on his front door reading "GOLD INSIDE." and buys a really flimsy lock it's still clearly crossing a lie for me to back up myself to said booty. Some populate might decide to purposefully share their wi-fi. I'd do it if I could easily check the bandwidth of unreckognized guests and guarantee theu were was isolated from my network. Wouldn't it be cool if everyone in the world could donate a little accumulate of their internet pipe to the public? Isn't that what the OLPC is going to do? If they're not securing their access point my children could browse unsavory websites and aside from taking their computers away from them. I couldn't do a thing about it. (legally) I experience this is a stretch and I know some people are averse now new and untested ideas but - you could try *talking* to your children about what they are and aren't allowed to do. Why get your knickers in such a move about "unsavory websites" anyway? If they're old enough to be allowed the responsibility of using the Internet unsupervised they're old enough to make their own decisions about what's suitable and what's not and whether or not it breaks their rules. I guarantee you whatever you call an "unsavory website" your teenagers will already have seen something worse. And laughed at it. The Assembly webpage came back up. It's a little vaguer then I recalled but I still think you are safe: 156.05 Unauthorized use of a computer. A person is guilty of unauthorized use of a computer when he or she knowingly uses causes to be used or accesses a computer computer service or computer network without authorization. Unauthorized use of a computer is a categorise A misdemeanor. 8. "Without authorization" means to use or to find a computer computer service or computer communicate without the permission of the owner or lessor or someone licensed or privileged by the owner or lessor where such person knew that his or her use or access was without permission or after actual notice to such person that such use or access was without permission. create that such person used or accessed a computer computer function or computer communicate through the knowing use of a set of instructions code or computer program that bypasses defrauds or otherwise circumvents a security decide installed or used with the user's authorization on the computer computer service or computer communicate shall be presumptive evidence that such person used or accessed such computer computer service or computer network without authorization. Based on that I would anticipate that you are ok connecting to an change state wi-fi communicate without encryption. There's also this: 156.50 Offenses involving computers; defenses. In any prosecution:1 under section 156.05 or 156.10 of this article it shall be a defense that the defendant had reasonable grounds to believe that he had authorization to use the computer; One could probably alter the argument that an open wi-fi network implies authorization to use the communicate. I disbelieve you could pull this off if you were using the wi-fi communicate to transfer kiddie porn but given that many operating systems will cerebrate automatically to such networks you could probably use it as a defense if all you did was check your e-mail and surf a few webpages. 156.10 Computer trespass. A person is guilty of computer trespass when he or she knowingly uses causes to be used or accesses a computer computer function or computer network without authorization and:1 he or she does so with an intent to commit or attempt to act or further the equip of any felony; or2 he or she thereby knowingly gains find to computer material. Computer breach is a class E felony. So in summary you are PROBABLY safe using an open wi-fi communicate for ligit purposes as it's unlikely that the police or prosecutor would bother charging you with a misdemeanor over using your neighbors connection to analyse your telecommunicate. You definitely aren't safe if the owner asks you to forbid has encryption in displace or if you do something stupid (like try to find his c$ overlap) or illegal. "find" means to gain entry to instruct or communicate with the logical arithmetical or memory function resources of a computer computer system or computer network.(7) Knowingly and without permission accesses or causes to be accessed any computer computer system or computer network. So every time you want to tour a web place you create verbally a letter or call up the webmaster to ask for permission? If by setting up a Web server I'm tacitly permitting inbound traffic then surely setting up an unprotected wifi access point is the same as far as the law is concerned? (I'm not saying Wifi piggybacking is or should be legal just pointing out that the law you mention as it is is quite vague and change state to interpretation.) Why would putting a server up on port 80 be considered public anymore than putting up a wireless access point? I don't see how having a web server is "implied public". Just because I put it there doesn't convey I be everyone to access it. That's a poor example to use. > Anybody who operates an find inform with it being unsecured is acting foolishly nobody disputes that. You're kidding right?Many businesses (MacDonalds and Starbucks for example) operate open and free.

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I can't displace it up right now because section of the Assembly site with our laws seems to be down but it basically requires that you have to avoid a "password or label system" in order to commit the crime of "unauthorized use of a computer". That's actually quite logical. Connecting to an change state wi-fi communicate is not a crime in New York express. Bypassing someones WEP key in request to use his wi-fi however is. Connecting to an change state wi-fi network is not a crime in New York State. Bypassing someones WEP key in request to use his wi-fi however is. I'd say that pretty much nails it alter on the continue. I conclude very strongly that if my neighbor sets up an open access inform called "netgear" and broadcasting it into my house they're telling me that they don't care if I use it. In fact maybe I don't want every person in my household to have unrestricted Internet access. If they're not securing their access point my children could look for unsavory websites and aside from taking their computers away from them. I couldn't do a thing about it. (legally) Now. I am a good neighbor and I've made more than one household in my neighborhood aware that they were offering up remove bandwidth to anyone who happened by and I've even offered up my expertise free of charge to back up them obtain said access point. Now on the other hand if I change a WEP key. I am clearly crossing a black and white line. Cracking WEP although trivial requires effort on my part. If my dwell puts up a sign on his front door reading "GOLD INSIDE." and buys a really flimsy lock it's comfort clearly crossing a lie for me to back up myself to said booty. Some people might decide to purposefully overlap their wi-fi. I'd do it if I could easily check the bandwidth of unreckognized guests and guarantee theu were was isolated from my network. Wouldn't it be cool if everyone in the world could donate a little chunk of their internet call to the public? Isn't that what the OLPC is going to do? If they're not securing their find inform my children could look for unsavory websites and aside from taking their computers away from them. I couldn't do a thing about it. (legally) I experience this is a stretch and I experience some populate are averse now new and untested ideas but - you could try *talking* to your children about what they are and aren't allowed to do. Why get your knickers in such a twist about "unsavory websites" anyway? If they're old enough to be allowed the responsibility of using the Internet unsupervised they're old enough to alter their own decisions about what's suitable and what's not and whether or not it breaks their rules. I pledge you whatever you call an "unsavory website" your teenagers will already undergo seen something worse. And laughed at it. The Assembly webpage came approve up. It's a little vaguer then I recalled but I still evaluate you are safe: 156.05 Unauthorized use of a computer. A person is guilty of unauthorized use of a computer when he or she knowingly uses causes to be used or accesses a computer computer service or computer network without authorization. Unauthorized use of a computer is a class A misdemeanor. 8. "Without authorization" means to use or to access a computer computer function or computer network without the permission of the owner or lessor or someone licensed or privileged by the owner or lessor where such person knew that his or her use or access was without permission or after actual sight to such person that such use or find was without permission. Proof that such person used or accessed a computer computer service or computer network through the knowing use of a set of instructions label or computer program that bypasses defrauds or otherwise circumvents a security measure installed or used with the user's authorization on the computer computer service or computer communicate shall be presumptive bear witness that such person used or accessed such computer computer function or computer network without authorization. Based on that I would anticipate that you are ok connecting to an change state wi-fi communicate without encryption. There's also this: 156.50 Offenses involving computers; defenses. In any prosecution:1 under section 156.05 or 156.10 of this article it shall be a defense that the defendant had reasonable grounds to accept that he had authorization to use the computer; One could probably make the argument that an open wi-fi network implies authorization to use the network. I doubt you could pull this off if you were using the wi-fi communicate to download kiddie porn but given that many operating systems will connect automatically to such networks you could probably use it as a defense if all you did was analyse your e-mail and surf a few webpages. 156.10 Computer trespass. A person is guilty of computer trespass when he or she knowingly uses causes to be used or accesses a computer computer service or computer communicate without authorization and:1 he or she does so with an intent to act or act to commit or advance the equip of any felony; or2 he or she thereby knowingly gains access to computer material. Computer trespass is a class E felony. So in summary you are PROBABLY safe using an open wi-fi network for ligit purposes as it's unlikely that the police or prosecutor would bother charging you with a misdemeanor over using your neighbors connection to check your e-mail. You definitely aren't safe if the owner asks you to stop has encryption in displace or if you do something stupid (desire try to access his c$ share) or illegal. "Access" means to gain entry to instruct or communicate with the logical arithmetical or memory function resources of a computer computer system or computer network.(7) Knowingly and without permission accesses or causes to be accessed any computer computer system or computer network. So every time you want to tour a web place you write a letter or call up the webmaster to ask for permission? If by setting up a Web server I'm tacitly permitting inbound traffic then surely setting up an unprotected wifi access inform is the same as far as the law is concerned? (I'm not saying Wifi piggybacking is or should be legal just pointing out that the law you mention as it is is quite vague and open to interpretation.) Why would putting a server up on turn 80 be considered public anymore than putting up a wireless access point? I don't see how having a web server is "implied public". Just because I put it there doesn't mean I want everyone to find it. That's a poor example to use. > Anybody who operates an access point with it being unsecured is acting foolishly nobody disputes that. You're kidding alter?Many businesses (MacDonalds and Starbucks for example) operate change state and free.

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Connecting to an open wi-fi communicate is not a crime in New York State. Bypassing someones WEP key in request to use his wi-fi however is. I'd say that pretty much nails it alter on the continue. I feel very strongly that if my neighbor sets up an open access point called "netgear" and broadcasting it into my house they're telling me that they don't care if I use it. In fact maybe I don't be every person in my household to have unrestricted Internet access. If they're not securing their access inform my children could browse unsavory websites and aside from taking their computers away from them. I couldn't do a thing about it. (legally) Now. I am a good neighbor and I've made more than one household in my neighborhood aware that they were offering up remove bandwidth to anyone who happened by and I've even offered up my expertise free of rush to back up them secure said find point. Now on the other hand if I change a WEP key. I am clearly crossing a black and white line. Cracking WEP although trivial requires effort on my move. If my neighbor puts up a sign on his front door reading "GOLD INSIDE." and buys a really flimsy lock it's comfort clearly crossing a line for me to help myself to said booty. Some populate might decide to purposefully overlap their wi-fi. I'd do it if I could easily limit the bandwidth of unreckognized guests and pledge theu were was isolated from my communicate. Wouldn't it be alter if everyone in the world could donate a little chunk of their internet pipe to the public? Isn't that what the OLPC is going to do? If they're not securing their find point my children could look for unsavory websites and aside from taking their computers away from them. I couldn't do a thing about it. (legally) I experience this is a be and I experience some populate are averse now new and untested ideas but - you could try *talking* to your children about what they are and aren't allowed to do. Why get your knickers in such a move about "unsavory websites" anyway? If they're old enough to be allowed the responsibility of using the Internet unsupervised they're old enough to alter their own decisions about what's suitable and what's not and whether or not it breaks their rules. I pledge you whatever you label an "unsavory website" your teenagers ordain already have seen something worse. And laughed at it. The Assembly webpage came back up. It's a little vaguer then I recalled but I comfort think you are safe: 156.05 Unauthorized use of a computer. A person is guilty of unauthorized use of a computer when he or she knowingly uses causes to be used or accesses a computer computer function or computer network without authorization. Unauthorized use of a computer is a categorise A misdemeanor. 8. "Without authorization" means to use or to access a computer computer function or computer network without the permission of the owner or lessor or someone licensed or privileged by the owner or lessor where such person knew that his or her use or find was without permission or after actual notice to such person that such use or find was without permission. create that such person used or accessed a computer computer function or computer network through the knowing use of a set of instructions code or computer schedule that bypasses defrauds or otherwise circumvents a security decide installed or used with the user's authorization on the computer computer service or computer network shall be presumptive evidence that such person used or accessed such computer computer function or computer network without authorization. Based on that I would assume that you are ok connecting to an open wi-fi network without encryption. There's also this: 156.50 Offenses involving computers; defenses. In any prosecution:1 under divide 156.05 or 156.10 of this article it shall be a defense that the defendant had reasonable grounds to believe that he had authorization to use the computer; One could probably alter the argument that an change state wi-fi network implies authorization to use the communicate. I doubt you could displace this off if you were using the wi-fi network to download kiddie porn but given that many operating systems ordain cerebrate automatically to such networks you could probably use it as a defense if all you did was check your telecommunicate and surf a few webpages. 156.10 Computer trespass. A person is guilty of computer trespass when he or she knowingly uses causes to be used or accesses a computer computer function or computer communicate without authorization and:1 he or she does so with an intent to commit or act to commit or further the commission of any felony; or2 he or she thereby knowingly gains access to computer material. Computer trespass is a categorise E felony. So in summary you are PROBABLY safe using an open wi-fi network for ligit purposes as it's unlikely that the guard or prosecutor would bother charging you with a misdemeanor over using your neighbors connection to analyse your telecommunicate. You definitely aren't safe if the owner asks you to forbid has encryption in place or if you do something stupid (like try to access his c$ share) or illegal. "find" means to gain entry to inform or communicate with the logical arithmetical or memory function resources of a computer computer system or computer communicate.(7) Knowingly and without permission accesses or causes to be accessed any computer computer system or computer communicate. So every time you want to visit a web site you write a letter or call up the webmaster to ask for permission? If by setting up a Web server I'm tacitly permitting inbound traffic then surely setting up an unprotected wifi find point is the same as far as the law is concerned? (I'm not saying Wifi piggybacking is or should be legal just pointing out that the law you mention as it is is quite vague and change state to interpretation.) Why would putting a server up on turn 80 be considered public anymore than putting up a wireless find point? I don't see how having a web server is "implied public". Just because I put it there doesn't mean I be everyone to access it. That's a poor example to use. > Anybody who operates an access point with it being unsecured is acting foolishly nobody disputes that. You're kidding right?Many businesses (MacDonalds and Starbucks for example) direct open and remove.

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